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		<title>From Eternity to Here &#8211; Book Review</title>
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A few years ago, I read several books by Frank Viola and I enjoyed  all of them.  They provided me with a fresh perspective on church and gave me vocabulary to express my thoughts.  The books were part of a series and they looked pretty ugly (click <a href="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/wineskin.jpg" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/pagan.jpg" target="_blank">here</a> and<a href="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/covering.jpg" target="_blank"> here</a> if you want to see what I mean.)  But we all know we shouldn&#8217;t judge a book by its cover, don&#8217;t we?  I enjoyed the books for two reasons: 1) they helped me; and, 2) they were great conversation starters.</p>
<p>Frank Viola&#8217;s new book, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/m5c96c" target="_blank">From Eternity to Here</a> has a clean, sharp look (i.e. not as ugly as the earlier books <img src='http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) but I don&#8217;t feel it provided the same fodder for discussion as some of his other books do.  Before I say anymore, I asked Frank these two questions about his newest book:</p>
<h2><span style="color: #808000;">Questions for the Author</span></h2>
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<p>1) <strong><em>Who did you write this    book for?</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>FV: So that God’s people would gain  an understanding of God’s eternal purpose – which is His grand mission  and the grand narrative of Scripture – and be changed by it. From  all the letters I’m receiving from readers so far, a great many are  saying that they never heard this message before and it is changing  their lives. This merely confirms that the time was right to release  this book. At least it seems to me that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>2) <em><strong>What do you hope to accomplish through this book?</strong></em></p>
<blockquote><p>FV: That those who read it would fall  in love with their Lord deeply, would be set free from religious bondage  and obligation, would live with a sense of purpose and vision for their  lives, would begin the journey of learning how to live by Christ with  others, and would adjust their lives to stand for and fulfill God’s  ageless purpose which is by Him, through Him, and to Him.</p></blockquote>
<h2 style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #808000;">A Short Review</span></h2>
<p style="text-align: left;">I have read the book and I will give a very short review of it here.  First, I want to applaud Frank for looking at the whole Bible as a book that offers a story (or stories) within which we can place ourselves.  It is easy to miss the narrative of the Bible and not &#8220;see the forest for the trees&#8221; when we look at a few scattered verses or chapters.  This book looks at the entire testimony of Scripture and lays out three interwoven stories that give us a well-rounded picture of the church.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">However, I remain less than convinced by Frank&#8217;s storytelling in the first part about the bride of Christ and Eve as a shadow of the church, ekklesia.  When I got to the second story I saw some of the Frank Viola I saw in the earlier books I had read.  When he writes about the blind spots of Christianity or the trappings of organized religion, he is speaking of things to which most of us can relate. &#8220;</p>
<h2 style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #808000;">&#8220;3 out of 5 Stars&#8221;</span></h2>
<p style="text-align: left;">I would not say this is one of his best books to date and I cannot agree with many comparisons he makes.  I do, however, appreciate his emphasis on the church and his critique of religion.  If I were rating the book, I would give this one 3 out of 5 stars.</p>
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<span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"><strong>OTHER BLOGS PARTICIPATING IN THE “FROM  ETERNITY TO HERE” BLOG CIRCUIT</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Today (June 9<sup>th</sup>), the following  blogs are discussing Frank Viola&#8217;s new bestselling book “From Eternity  to Here” (David C. Cook, 2009). The book just hit the May CBA Bestseller  List. Some are posting Q &amp; A with Frank; others are posting full  reviews of the book. To read more reviews and order a copy at a 33%  discount, go to Amazon.com: </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Eternity-Here-Rediscovering-Ageless-Purpose/dp/1434768708/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1233609867&amp;sr=1-4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.amazon.com/Eternity-Here-Rediscovering-Ageless-Purpose/dp/1434768708/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1233609867&amp;sr=1-4</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">For more resources, such as downloadable  audios, the free Discussion Guide, the Facebook Group page, etc. go  to the official website: </span><a href="http://www.frometernitytohere.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.FromEternitytoHere.org</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Enjoy the reviews and the Q and A:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Out of Ur &#8211; </span><a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2009/05/viola.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2009/05/viola.html</span></span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Shapevine &#8211; </span><a href="http://www.shapevine.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">www.Shapevine.com</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> (June newsletter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Brian Eberly &#8211; </span><a href="http://www.brianeberly.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.brianeberly.com</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Captain&#8217;s Blog &#8211; </span><a href="http://www.captainestes.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.captainestes.blogspot.com/</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Darin Hufford &#8211; The Free Believers Network  &#8211; </span><a title="http://www.freebelievers.com/" href="http://www.freebelievers.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">www.freebelievers.com</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">What&#8217;s With Christina?! &#8211; </span><a title="http://w2christina.blogspot.com/" href="http://w2christina.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://w2christina.blogspot.com</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">This day on the journey &#8211; </span><a title="http://guychmieleski.blogspot.com/" href="http://guychmieleski.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://guychmieleski.blogspot.com</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Spiritual Journey With God &#8211; </span><a title="http://liveandmove.blogspot.com/" href="http://www.elvineve.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.elvineve.blogspot.com/</span></span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Dries Conje &#8211; </span><a title="http://www.echurch.co.za/" href="http://www.echurch.co.za/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.echurch.co.za</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> / </span><a title="http://www.thejesusfeed.com/" href="http://www.thejesusfeed.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.thejesusfeed.com</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> / </span><a title="http://www.bookdisciple.com/" href="http://www.bookdisciple.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://www.bookdisciple.com</span></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Journey with Others &#8211; </span><a title="http://journeywithothers.blogspot.com/" href="http://journeywithothers.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">http://journeywithothers.blogspot.com</span></span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">On Now to the Third Level &#8211; </span><a title="http://journeywithothers.blogspot.com/" href="http://www.080808onnowto.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0000ff; font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">www.080808onnowto.blogspot.com</span></span></a></p>
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		<title>House Churches in Canada</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://housechurch.ca/index.php"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-866" style="margin: 10px;" title="House Church Canada" src="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/housechurchca-300x225.jpg" alt="House Church Canada" width="203" height="152" /></a>Just wanting to pass on some useful information . . .</p>
<p>I recently met with Rad Zdero at a training session for house church leaders in Hamilton, Ontario.  Rad gradauted from McMaster University and later earned his Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Queens’ University, has been involved in cell and house church planting for many years, and is the co-founder of <a href="http://housechurch.ca/index.php" target="_blank">House Church Canada</a>.</p>
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<p>I have learned that there are house churches in many places throughout southern Ontario (Hamilton, Mississauga, Barrie, Toronto, Kitchener, etc. and even Rochester!)  As someone who has looked for information on house churches in Canada, I know this will be useful for some of you and wanted to let you know.  I also found out through Rad that there is a house church near my home.  So, I contacted the leader of the church (who happens to know my father &#8211; cue the music . . . &#8220;it&#8217;s a small world after all!&#8221;)  and then he told me about another house church near here as well.  (I wonder how many more there are around here? &#8211; here, meaning Niagara.)</p>
<p>As well, Rad has recently edited a very helpful resource: <a href="http://missionbooks.org/williamcareylibrary/product.php?productid=574&amp;cat=0&amp;page=1" target="_blank">Nexus: The World House Church Movement Reader</a>.  You can see some of the introduction and the table of contents <a href="http://www.housechurch.ca/resources2/69_Nexus.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Mature Christians Should Leave the Institutional Church?</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a new book that might make it to Books That Influence This Blog.   I have ordered it from Amazon and I am excited to start reading it.  The book is <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0801068231?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=irrellife-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=0801068231">Quitting Church: Why The Faithful Are Fleeing And What To Do About It</a><img style="border:none!important;margin:0!important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.ca/e/ir?t=irrellife-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=15&amp;a=0801068231" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 114px"><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0801068231?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=irrellife-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=0801068231"><img src="http://irreligiouslife.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/quit.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="104" height="160" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Quitting Church</p></div>
<p>Julia Duin is the religion editor for <em>The Washington Times </em>and a self-described born-again Christian (is that possible even possible? . . . ha ha).</p>
<p>Here is the product description from Amazon:</p>
<blockquote><p>Duin brings two kinds of experiences to bear in this engaging little jeremiad: as religion editor for the <em>Washington Times</em>, she is in her element marshaling statistics, interviewing authors and clergy, and commenting on the trend of faithful evangelicals who increasingly vote with their feet by leaving their churches. But she&#8217;s also a self-described born-again evangelical herself, coping with the personal pain of not having a viable and permanent church home. Drawing heavily on research by pollster George Barna, Duin diagnoses a widespread dissatisfaction among evangelicals, who feel their churches do a decent job with new Christians but fall far short with mature believers. In particular, Duin shows, women and singles are leaving churches in ever-greater numbers. (As a single woman herself, she discusses her own experiences with being marginalized while successfully evoking a larger context through research and polls.) Duin has some prescriptions to help with these problems, including meatier sermons that address real issues; house churches and micro-churches that foster more genuine community; and even in-church matchmaking services to help singles who want to find a mate.</p></blockquote>
<p>At the <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122031237268288821.html" target="_blank">Wall Street Journal</a>, Terry Eastland has written a review where he comments that Julia Duin calls church quitting an epidemic among evangelicals. He also writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>She reports, among other things: a lack of a feeling of community among church members, inducing loneliness and boredom; church teaching that fails to go beyond the basics of the faith or to reach members grappling with suffering or unanswered prayer; pastors who are either out of touch with their parishioners or themselves unhappy, or who fail to shepherd their flocks, or who are caught up in scandal, or who try to control the lives of church members in a high-handed way. She claims that many churches have &#8220;inefficient leadership models&#8221; and that many, preoccupied with the care of families, neglect single people.</p></blockquote>
<p>A &#8220;lack of feeling of community?&#8221; . . . &#8220;loneliness?&#8221;. . .  &#8220;boredom?&#8221; . . .  &#8220;out of touch?&#8221; . . .  &#8220;scandal?&#8221; . . . &#8220;inefficient leadership models?&#8221;  Really?  Come on now, not in OUR churches . . . really?  (sarcasm intended)</p>
<p>Apparently, Julia writes about &#8220;a best-selling evangelical author quitting his church and arguing that leaving the institutional church is something that &#8220;mature Christians&#8221; should do.&#8221;  Who is that?  Does anyone know? I really want to know who this &#8220;best-selling evangelical author&#8221; who quit his church was.  If you know, tell me.   (Of course, I can always wait to read the book but if you tell me that I don&#8217;t have to wait.)  (OK, since posting this originally, I believe I have found the answer to that question.  <a href="http://irreligiouslife.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/john-eldredge-quit-church-because-sick-of-pretending/" target="_self">See here.</a>)</p>
<p>My wife and I are church planters working in Japan, but currently residing in Canada until we go back to Japan in 2009.  And so, I am totally excited to read this book &#8211; not because I want more ammo to bash the institutional but because books like these are valuable resources for us.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for the next Amazon box to arrive on my porch!</p>
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