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		<title>John Eldredge: Quit Church Because Sick of Pretending</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Admittedly, I don&#8217;t know much about John Eldredge except that he was written some popular books and many people I know have said he is their favourite author.  I have read Epic: The Story God Is Telling and enjoyed it, though.  I found out from Julia Duin&#8217;s book (Quitting Church: Why The Faithful Are Fleeing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ransomedheart.com/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-333" style="border:0 none;margin:10px;" title="53" src="http://irreligiouslife.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/53.jpg" alt="53" width="150" height="190" /></a>Admittedly, I don&#8217;t know much about <a href="http://www.ransomedheart.com/" target="_blank">John Eldredge</a> except that he was written some popular books and many people I know have said he is their favourite author.  I have read <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0785288783?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=irrellife-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=15121&#038;creative=330641&#038;creativeASIN=0785288783">Epic: The Story God Is Telling</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.ca/e/ir?t=irrellife-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=15&#038;a=0785288783" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /><br />
and enjoyed it, though.  I found out from Julia Duin&#8217;s book (<a href="http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0801068231?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=irrellife-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=0801068231">Quitting Church: Why The Faithful Are Fleeing And What To Do About It</a><img style="border:none!important;margin:0!important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.ca/e/ir?t=irrellife-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=15&amp;a=0801068231" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" />) that John Eldredge quit attending church.  For some reason, I found that surprising.  (Perhaps this is the &#8220;mature Christian&#8221; who left the institutional church that was referred to <a href="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/?p=258">here</a>.)  Here is what he said in <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2007/09/Why-Men-Dont-Like-Church.aspx" target="_blank">an interview for Beliefnet.com</a> as reported by Julia Duin on page 169 of her book.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve come to appreciate how utterly numbing most church experience is.  Most people&#8217;s church experience amounts to about an hour a week.  It&#8217;s the Sunday service.  They are passive participants for the most part.  They listen to a message, they hear some songs, some music, all in an attempt to sort of inspire and courage.  It is mind-numbing, most of it.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>So yes, I took a year off of church.  Just because I was so sick of pretending.  I was faking it; that was the problem.  I was faking a holiness I didn&#8217;t have, I was faking an enthusiasm that frankly wasn&#8217;t there, and I said, &#8220;I can&#8217;t do that.  It&#8217;s dishonest.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2007/09/Why-Men-Dont-Like-Church.aspx">These interviews can be found here.</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>(This last comment reminds of two songs which talk about talking one way and acting another way: <a href="http://www.mtvmusic.com/video/?id=169364" target="_blank">The Pretender by the Foo Fighters</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKhnmUdmz74" target="_blank"> </a>and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHa1ThS9avA" target="_blank">Acrobat by U2</a>)</p>
<p>According to Julia, John Eldredge and his family left the established church a decade ago and &#8220;never looked back.&#8221;  He told Julia that it is good to take time off church &#8220;to find the real thing&#8221;.  He went on to tell her that church does meet the need of newer Christians but for the most part &#8220;they are not bringing people into a genuine encounter with God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, John Eldredge says, &#8220;The accusation is that we are backsliding, but the fact is, we are living a richer Christian experience than ever. <a href="http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/?p=258"> It&#8217;s mature Christians who have opted out of church.</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>. . . WOW! . . .</p>
<p>So, my question today is . . . for those who have opted out of church, do you feel you are living a richer Christian experience than ever (as John Eldredge) or have you had a different experience?  Leave your comments below.</p>
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		<title>Rethinking the Sermon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sermon has become the central part of most worship services today. When you ask someone, &#8220;How was church today?&#8221; or &#8220;What is THAT church like?&#8221;, you will get responses either about how good the sermon/preacher is or how good the music is. Even so, the music is usually seen as preparation or a lead-up [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sermon has become the central part of most worship services today. When you ask someone, &#8220;How was church today?&#8221; or &#8220;What is THAT church like?&#8221;, you will get responses either about how good the sermon/preacher is or how good the music is. Even so, the music is usually seen as preparation or a lead-up to the sermon. The sermon is the most important part of most churches today so you would naturally thing that it would be the most effective part of the worship service.  But, is it?  How effective is the sermon?  Or, is it effective at all?  Some may argue that the effectiveness of the sermon depends on the giftedness of the preacher. That may be true . . . to an extent. I still think, though, the effectiveness of any preacher who is preaching in a large group setting is still quite limited.</p>
<p>I have been to Christian conference grounds where there are chapel services every morning and evening Sunday to Friday every week of the summer.  Many faithfully attend these services daily with their Bible and notebook in hand.  They hear sermons wice a day, every day for weeks!  And what is the result of all this pew-sitting?  Are they “closer to God” at the end of the summer then they were at the beginning?  Are they following Jesus more wholeheartedly (Yes, I recognize the redundancy of that phrase, but I ain&#8217;t no professional author <img src='http://www.irreligiouscanuck.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) as a result of all the sermons they heard over the summer?  Do husbands treat their wives better the more sermons they hear?  Are wives more faithful to their husbands after attending a sermon filled weekend conference?  Do you stop criticizing others the more years you spend in the church?  Granted changes do occur seemingly as a result of sermons.  I say “seemingly” because I am hesitant to give the lone sermon too much credit.  Before I explain what I mean, take a look at something that A.W. Tozer, a well-known preacher, once wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Though God&#8230; has provided answers to our questions concering Him, the answers by no means lie on the surface. They must be sought by prayer, by long meditation on the written Word, and by earnest and well-disciplined labor. However brightly the light may shine, it can be seen only by those who are spiritually prepared to receive it.&#8221; (The Knowledge of the Holy)</p></blockquote>
<p>So, if this is true, what does it mean for the Sunday morning sermon? Could we also say, &#8220;However eloquently the preacher may wax, it can be heard only by those who are spiritually prepared to receive it?&#8221; If someone is ready, if there are spiritually open, if they have heard God silently speaking to them already BEFORE attending the Sunday morning meeting, they are more likely to respond to something the preacher has said. But, what about those that haven&#8217;t been seeking by prayer, or meditating on the written Word, how effective will the sermon be for those people?</p>
<p>When there is genuine change in someone after attending a Christian conference of listening to a sermon, I wonder if it is because God has already been speaking to that area of the person&#8217;s life even before the sermon was delivered.  Let”s say I have been feeling bad about how I treat my wife for some time and I have really wanted to change but I just haven&#8217;t gotten around to working on being a better husband.  When I read the Bible and pray I feel that God is reminding me of this area of my life and how it needs to change.  Every time I show disrespect I regret and feel bad.  Sometime I say sorry to her.  Then one day I hear a sermon on how to be a good husband and finally I make some changes in my life.  Was it the sermon or the preacher that changed me?  Or, was it that I had already placed myself in the position and was spiritually open at the time I heard the sermon that helped me make these lifestyle changes?  Was it the sermon that effected the life change or was it my times of personal study and prayer?</p>
<p>If the sermon is not solely responsible for effecting change in one&#8217;s life, why is so much energy and time put into its preparation?  Could that time and energy be used in other ways more effectively?</p>
<p>I have more to say but let me leave it here for now and give you a chance to respond.  Of course, if nobody responds, I will just shut up and say no more but I would love to hear what others think and what their experiences have been.</p>
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